Very good commentary on the new Flock book

feeds@yuku.com (nonjwspouse) — Thu, 24 May 2012 21:41:10 PST

Quote from: old goat on October 28, 2010, 11:11:26 PM

I read the new book. Twice. I’ve read them all, having attended Kingdom Ministry School classes since the days of the month long class. I have all of them in one form or another except for the 1959 text book. That’s not much of a loss because I have most of that through the 1961 paper supplement.

The text books have become less and less helpful. The first text focused on the scriptural reasons underlying Watchtower practice. It was a gentler age. The new one is dictatorial in tone. Something like this can only come from people who see their authority as absolute and unquestionable.

With the exception of the short introductory matter, almost all of the new text book focuses on disfellowhipping. This strongly...

I'm not doing well.

feeds@yuku.com (Cathar) — Thu, 24 May 2012 18:21:47 PST

It is hard to differentiate between average hard and extra-average hard now. My dad died as a JW. I am not a JW. At the same time, my relationship crumbled. I will be moving back in order to help my mom. This brings opportunities and downfalls. There is no other place to turn but here. This saddens me.

Suggestions about the "knock" on the door.

feeds@yuku.com (BwanaSheba) — Thu, 24 May 2012 18:07:02 PST

Ok,

My friend is an exmormon but his Dad was and is still in. And always trying to get him to come back.
And he would have them come to his door almost every weekend for at least one month out of the year.
And because he knew that "no" or "I am busy" will not always work he tried out other things. First he
tried to say he was a satanist (he is not). But that ALWAYS back fired because then they would really
want to talk or tell his Dad. So he was watching a comedian and this guy said how he answered the door.

He said "When ever I had a visit from a religous person whom ever they were. I would smile nice
and when they said they would like to talk, I would invite them in and ask them if they would like
take a bath?" He said most of the time either they would either blankly stare and he would repeat
what he said. Or they would leave right away.

Is this common J/W'ism ?

feeds@yuku.com (Dis Spell) — Thu, 24 May 2012 08:46:03 PST
I am wondering if this is common among J/W as I know it is among Catholics and recently I have been hearing it a lot from my EX...almost verbatim:

We are dust to dust, God understands our fears
humans are weak and God knows this as he created us.
We are prone to errors and we have limitations and God understands this
God will not judge us harshly for our transgressions because God is Love above all
He is merciful and loving and he does not judge us, as he granted us free will
This includes the right to make mistakes and even transgressions as we seek to live our life
Love has nothing to do with religion...it is PURE and from GOD

I find that there has been a SHIFT in his discourse, day by day, as God is suddenly called G_O_D and not ~~JEHOVAH~~ and HE seems to be a GOD full of good sentiments all of a sudden .... I am worried (almost) lol
Is this a part...

Summer Camps for kids!

feeds@yuku.com (leasecrets) — Thu, 24 May 2012 08:13:34 PST
I am wondering about your views on summer camps for kids? Did you send them to one when you were in the borg or out?

This is the first time I am sending my kids to one this summer. In the past, my ex husband and I argued about this issue as he said it trains children to become ready for the army in the future and it encourages patriotism.

I did not grow up in the borg myself - so I've always viewed summer camps as a fun thing to do. My ex grew up in the borg himself and was totally dead against his son going to one (about 14 yrs ago). And when i told him I was sending our younger kids to camp, he said the same thing but is more lenient now about it.

Your views?

Anyone in the bay area want to meet up?

feeds@yuku.com (littlehammr) — Wed, 23 May 2012 22:07:56 PST
Hi all

So,i live in San Francisco,been out of the JW's since 2005. I live in San Francisco,orginally from London,England. Find that i would love to meet up with like minded ones who know what it's like to be an ex jw. Look forward to emailing/talking on the phone/meeting in person. Thanks
ruth

God = Tooth Fairy - a fair comparison?

feeds@yuku.com (maksutov) — Wed, 23 May 2012 11:13:58 PST
Sometimes atheists refer to the existence of God as being as credible as the existence of the tooth fairy/Santa/fairies, etc. Believers are often offended by this, since everyone over the age of 6 knows that the tooth fairy is not real, yet to them, God is as real as any human.

So is there a difference between God and the tooth fairy?

There is at least one difference: the number of adults who firmly believe in the reality of a supreme being. When children grow up, they stop believing in fairies and frogs that turn into handsome princes, but often they don't stop believing in God. The atheist may assert that there is no difference between the two, but surely there must be some difference or children would naturally grow out of belief in God too.

I think the difference is that the existence of a supreme being provides an explanation of the natural world and its origins in a way that satisfies our 'common sense'. We naturally tend to equate the...

Sure Sign of GB Crackdown?

feeds@yuku.com (Loner) — Wed, 23 May 2012 08:51:38 PST
My Mom used to call me every other week or so if only to compulsively preach at me. She has't done so now for at least a month. I wonder if the Circle-Over Seers are dragging pubs into the back room to harangue and threaten them about this?

JW-like beliefs discussed in local paper

feeds@yuku.com (Cacky) — Tue, 22 May 2012 18:18:56 PST
Our paper, I can't remember if it was the Parade magazine, that I think just about everyone in the US gets in their Sunday paper, anyway, there was an article about the beliefs of the early Christians. I just didn't have the interest to read the whole thing, but skimmed some of it and it was enough to worry me that some who left the jws might read that and wonder if the jws do have the "truth." It was an article about how Christianity has it all wrong, the early Christians and Jesus spoke about God's kingdom here on earth, recited that part of the "Lord's Prayer," about "your kingdom come on earth," that kind of thing. If you have read it, please don't let it scare you. This news is not new. Years ago when I was in college and doiong research on something (naturally I chose jw-belief type topics), I looked up some things in the Catholic Encyclopedia at my university and was absolutely stunned to see that they gave two definitions for lots of things, like spirit, soul, grave,...

A Year After the Non-Apocalypse: Where Are They Now?

feeds@yuku.com (Joe Magarac) — Tue, 22 May 2012 10:13:34 PST
Not about JWs, but it definitely reminded me of what happened in 1975.

A Year After the Non-Apocalypse: Where Are They Now?

WatchTower educational books and their blatant religious bias

feeds@yuku.com (acesuv) — Tue, 22 May 2012 10:05:27 PST
I am an 18 year old, and my parents are both Jehova Witnesses, in fact, my father used to be one of those church speakers at one of your weekly meetings! I am now an atheist through my own studies, and as a result, my parents handed me several publications by WatchTower. I read these books with curiosity, but that curiosity quickly turned turned to disgust. Whoever wrote these books is CLEARLY scientifically literate, and I accept that. My problem with these books is that prevailing scientific arguments are obviously side-stepped and ignored. These books (at least the two I have read cover-to-cover) seem to use a tactic of "tell the reader JUST ENOUGH that they believe our idea, but not theirs". I will use a few examples from the most recent of the two books.

TITLE: Was Life Created?
YEAR: 2010

Through the first chapters of this book, the author takes us through a list of some of the most amazing coincidences that make life possible on Earth. This includes our...

Blood and Australia's Health Care

feeds@yuku.com (birdwoman2) — Tue, 22 May 2012 09:31:08 PST

For Those Down Under… especially those who reside in Western Australia.

and…

All Other Interested Parties.

How is the progress coming with the Patient Blood Management Project that was started in 2008 in Western Australia? The project that is to be used as a model for all of Australia and, apparently, eventually for the entire world?

You must be familiar with the project…the one being implemented by the Government of Western Australia and its Department of Health to integrate ‘bloodless medicine’ methods into the ‘state wide’ health care system? The project to restrict and eliminate the use of allogeneic blood products through the use of bloodless medicine technology? The project that owes its very existence to the...

Creativity

feeds@yuku.com (Odd Dolls) — Tue, 22 May 2012 06:18:34 PST
You know what surprises me? That the creativity forum here isn't used more. As JWs we were held back from intuitive creating, or most of us were. I never felt free to cut loose and create intuitively. I got out of that, and started making stuff I wanted to rather than just pretty little dolls. Of late I imagine it's more boring than some of the stuff I will do before long. I have a new project in mind.

Anyway, it surprises me that there aren't more posts on that forum. Is it that people are afraid or embarrassed to share? Or are ex JWs largely so used to being beaten down that getting a foothold in creativity is difficult to do? Why aren't more ex JWs doing things? Or are you all and just too shy to post the results?

Janet

The widows mite?

feeds@yuku.com (inspecterD) — Mon, 21 May 2012 22:09:18 PST
Why am I having such a hard time just to get this posted???

Anyway, I will try this again. The WTBTS is slowly fading away apparently. Check out this website http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/branch-closures-and-fire-sales-a-growing-trend-for-the-society

Also found this question forum and found it interesting. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/225837/1/Any-suggestions-on-handling-financial-abuse-of-a-senior-by-the-Watchtower-Bible-and-Tract-Society

Looks like the whole Borg is toppling...within my lifetime, I hope, I hope, I...

Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-20-2012 WT Study (HOPE)

feeds@yuku.com (blondie) — Mon, 21 May 2012 19:27:10 PST

Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-20-2012 WT Study (MARCH 15, 2012, pages 20-24)(HOPE)

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Very good commentary on the new Flock book

I'm not doing well.

Suggestions about the "knock" on the door.

Is this common J/W'ism ?

Summer Camps for kids!

Anyone in the bay area want to meet up?

God = Tooth Fairy - a fair comparison?

Sure Sign of GB Crackdown?

JW-like beliefs discussed in local paper

A Year After the Non-Apocalypse: Where Are They Now?

WatchTower educational books and their blatant religious bias

Blood and Australia's Health Care

Creativity

The widows mite?

Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-20-2012 WT Study (HOPE)