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I read the web-sites of the candidates today. Ron Paul seems to make more sense than the others. Any opinions on Ron Paul?
"Armageddon could be knockin at my door. But I aint gonna answer thats for sure. Theres gotta be somethin more." Jennifer Nettles
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I voted for him in the primary. I posted some stuff about him and talked about him before on here and was basically called an .... so fuck it. Im tired of
debating.
Rusty
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1cookiebear wrote: He's out of the game for the elections. While many people like him, he's significantly unrealistic in some of his views. He wouldn't last even
as a democrat.
__________________________ Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.
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he's significantly unrealistic in some of his viewsLike which ones? The reality that we have today is not real. It is just what the current "good ol boys" club and the corporate media would have everyone believe. It's too bad Ron Paul is out of the running. He's a damned sight better than the oaf that's running on the Republican ticket now. I'm a registered Democrat but I liked what I read about Ron Paul. Somebody PLEASE step outside the box! Hopefully Obama can do that. sharon Harm none, do what ye will |
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Considering the unrealistic views Hillary & Obama hold in regard to Health care and the national economy and McCain's views in regard to foreign policy
and war, Ron Paul doesn't seem unrealistic at all.
He's the only one that has a grasp on basic economics. More importantly, He's the only Candidate who understands that the President's job is not supposed to involve "Running the Economy", "Managing Health care" or "Establishing Democracies". But hey, who needs logical (albeit seemingly radical) solutions when we can have "Change"..and "Hope"... instead?
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He's proposing the return to the gold standard, withdrawal from UN and NATO. He thinks that freezing any change from the good'ol Constitution will fix
everything up. I am very sympathetic to many of his views but he's coming on a little too strong for an average American voter.
They're proposing the same system that's been working pretty good and at half the cost in Europe and here in Canada. Not only it's very realistic, it's a reality of living in the said parts of the world. But hey, who needs logical (albeit seemingly radical) solutions when we can have "Change"..and "Hope"... instead? If it's radical to the point of being flatly rejected, how is then logical? The few 'radical' peaks in his views drown out all the aspects he's right about (i.e. not fucking up other countries, torture of prisoners, manipulating corrupt regimes, etc). __________________________ Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.
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IntruderND said:Actually Ron Paul is not proposing a straight return to the gold standard, even He would say that isn't feasible. Rather He proposes breaking up the Monopoly that the Federal Gov holds on issuing currency. Lifting the ban on the use of privately issued currency would do a lot of good. #1. Competing Currencies would provide US Citizens with a choice other than the Federal Reserve Notes that are currently forced on us. #2. Competing Currencies would act as a check on FRNs since it would be much more obvious to the average consumer when the value is manipulated. #3. We would have money that functioned not only as an exchange medium, but also a true store of value. #4. With the electronic financial tools available today (Credit/Debit Cards and on-line banking etc) multiple currencies wouldn't be nearly as problematic as it would have been even 20 years ago. As to withdrawal from the UN and NATO, other than the "OH MY GOSH!" factor that the major media outlets would no doubt love, I don't see how that would really be a bad thing. The UN is a complete joke. IntruderND said:Obviously getting rid of unconstitutional Gov programs isn't going to "fix everything up" overnight, but certainly returning to a Gov where the law of the land is adhered to would be a good thing. Unfortunately the "average American voter" has very little knowledge in regards to the US Constitution let alone the reasoning behind original framework of the Constitutional Republic it created. IntruderND said:I personally don't use other people's opinions as a factor when determining logic. If 99.9% of the people decided to reject gravity it wouldn't change my view on skydiving without a parachute.
IntruderND said:I guess your idea of "working pretty good" is very different from mine. I don't want Health Care to be run like a public school, even though many think they are "working pretty good".
Regardless of whether or not it's even feasible to build a system that "works pretty good" doesn't really even matter to me (although I know a truly free market Health Care system will work MUCH better if only for the increased speed of Medical Advancement that only a competitive market can provide). For me it's a moral issue. Health Care is not a "Right". Health Care is not a right for the exact same reason that Lawn Care is not a right. Health Care is a service provided by other human beings. Last I checked the "Civilized" nations of the world have all abandoned Human Slavery. People are supposed to be able to freely exchange their labor and skills with each other. I really don't see why people think that this is the way it should be when it comes to Lawn Care, but that Health Care is somehow "different", that all of the sudden when someone graduates from Medical School that they are to be bound and shackled and made a slave of the masses; Or that everyone else should be forced into servitude to pay for the "needs" of anyone. If someone across town needs his lawn cut should everyone else be forced to work for him? The whole concept of (Note keyword:)Forced Socialism makes me sick.
If the Obama family or the Clinton family would like to donate funds to help those in need of Health Care they are free to do so and I would commend them for it. The fact that they want to FORCE me to do so is what really pisses me off. I'll be the first one to say that Health Care is seriously jacked up in the US, but Nationalized Health Care is definitely not the solution. Government is the primary reason Health Care is so expensive and convoluted today. I have to laugh whenever people are talking about Health "Insurance"...... We don't have Health "Insurance" anymore, we have what amounts to Pre-Paid Health Care in most cases because of all the stupid regulations requiring "insurance" to cover just about everything. Its like having auto-insurance that pays for gas, brake pads and car washes, can you imagine how much that would cost? I HIGHLY recommend this article. It talks about many of the Government plans (all of which were supposed to be "Solutions" to problems) which have created the mess we have today: Moral vs universal health care Oh well, back to work. I'm done ranting and getting my blood pressure up. |
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