Again thank yous for taking the time to read my post, it was rather long. I genuinely had tears in my eyes as I read them. Everybody (except the social workers of course) seems to understand. It is reassuring. You want to feel you are doing your best, and I honestly feel we have, and have no more to give. I think we have reached the point were the kids have to make the next move, you can not help someone until they want it. I think we have to follow the old adage that if you love someone let them go and start to live ourselves. This is what everyone keeps telling us - I think we now need to take advice.

Once again thanks for all the support, advice, encouragement - it has genuinely been a great help.

Jez