Glad I could help Jez. Having a banker in the family has come in handy many times when I've had friends feeling down about their finances and other things. He has that insider knowledge I guess you could say You'll both do fine once you have calmed down a little and stopped beating yourselves up. Easy for me to say I know ... but you've both done your level best for the kids and now it's up to them what they do next. Have faith that beneath their 'we don't need you' tough exteriors ... the love you have for them is still there and they know it!

As for my two ... I'm hoping they 'bake' beautifully too! As with your two though ... all Gav and I can do is our level best and then the rest of their lives is up to them. We'll be here for them of course but we won't allow ourselves to be pushed around either if things go the wrong way. Just like Trish mentioned ... being a teenager is often about trying to fit in ... so if your kids are in the wrong crowd, they'll be trying even harder to fit in which is so very sad. We aren't stupid when we're young though Trish ... we're just young! You can't put old heads on young shoulders

If there's anything at all we can help with Jez ... just let us know eh!