Yeah, you're all right there has to be some doubt there- I think since my brother just got df'd I might have a shot with him as he's seems a little disheartened over how he's being treated... My mom on the other hand, gosh I have no idea where to start, she seems to REFUSE to believe the even the possibility that something could be amiss. But it's incredibly frustrating because I think she knows something's off but out of sheer ego would never admit they could be wrong.